Global map of planned coal fired capacity tells a story

Posted: January 30, 2013 by tallbloke in Carbon cycle, Philosophy, Politics, Robber Barons

This Map tells us pretty clearly where economies are going to be expanding:

Coal-fired-plants-map-001

 

Comments
  1. The US Has Almost No Influence On CO2 Levels | Real Science says:
    January 30, 2013 at 4:45 pm

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  2. oldbrew says:
    January 30, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    India will have to either massively increase its home production of coal, or pay 3 times the price for imports – if it can even find them on that scale – to reach the numbers shown according to this.

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/12/03/1271931/why-indias-coal-plans-are-an-illusion/

    Maybe the US can cut a deal 😉

  3. tchannon says:
    January 30, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/coalreserves.htm

    From 2010
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/powerhungry-india-seeks-coal-reserves-20100801-111de.html

    A great deal of talk out there in the media.

  4. Gray says:
    January 30, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Coal Production 1905
    Short Tons

    United Kingdom 236,128,936
    Germany (coal) 121,298,167
    Germany (lignite) 52,498,507
    United States 350,821,000

    Coal Production 2012
    Tonnes

    United Kingdom 18,300,000
    Germany 188,600,000
    United States 992,800,000

  5. tallbloke says:
    January 30, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/30/china-s-obscene-addiction-to-coal.html

  6. China’s Coal Consumption Nearly Equals The Rest Of The World | Climate Change Sanity says:
    January 31, 2013 at 3:26 am

    […] and India will be installing  77% of the projected 1,401,334 MW of  new coal-fired capacity.  Click here to see the graphic of projected world electrical production from coal. […]

  7. Joseph E Postma says:
    January 31, 2013 at 3:27 am

    In this future, will the west have to go to war with India and China over the carbon emissions? You could just imagine that that is exactly where Al Gore would eventually end up. Imagine how much money could be made of that…not just in taxing carbon, but in having whole international wars over carbon!

  8. wayne says:
    January 31, 2013 at 4:31 am

    Not sure I buy this data. If each of India and China, say 2 billion population each, that would be an entire powerplant for every 4000 people, not households. Or are all of these plants just that small?

    This is the type of story I would expect straight from the environmental alarmists.

  9. John Kannarr says:
    January 31, 2013 at 7:38 am

    Wayne, the way I read this is 500,000 megawatts, not 500,000 power plants. That’s barely 250 watts.person.

  10. oldbrew says:
    January 31, 2013 at 10:22 am

    There’s the Scottish way, as demonstrated by Alex Salmond.

  11. Oliver says:
    January 31, 2013 at 10:38 am

    There’s an opportunity here to supply India with US coal……unless the NAtional SOcialists regulate the coal mines into closing.

  12. harrywr2 says:
    January 31, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    I would seriously take with a large grain of salt this map.

    There are no ‘firm plans’ in either India of China to build the plants. All this is a ‘projection’ of current build rates.

  13. harrywr2 says:
    January 31, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Oliver says:
    January 31, 2013 at 10:38 am

    There’s an opportunity here to supply India with US coal

    It costs about $60/ton to ship a ton of coal from the US to India. India would go broke paying for shipping. Not that they won’t buy ‘some coal’.

    People who are projecting big sales of US Coal to India and China are generally ignoring the shipping costs.

  14. oldbrew says:
    January 31, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    India’s shortfall of domestic coal production is already around 148 m. tonnes it seems. So they need to bring in 3m. tonnes a week even before the new power stations appear.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/National-Spot-Exchange-Limited-introduces-coal-trade/articleshow/15341578.cms

  15. tchannon says:
    January 31, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/9001096/Vales-megaship-sails-to-China-and-into-the-record-books.html

  16. Roger Andrews says:
    January 31, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    If all these power plants get built they will add about 8.4 billion tons a year to global CO2 emissions – more than the 2010 CO2 emissions of the US, Japan, Germany, France and the UK combined.

    And it’s not just China and India. Look at Vietnam, which plans to add 34 gigawatts of coal capacity by 2020. That’s more than twice the total installed capacity in Belgium.

    One has to wonder whether those who still think global CO2 emissions reductions are achievable are in total command of their faculties.

  17. michael hart says:
    February 1, 2013 at 3:52 am

    harrywr2,
    You say that there are no firm plans to build extra coal capacity in China and India, yet the report from the WRI (linked below) lists the names of the companies involved, locations, capacities and status of projects. Nor are they all state-owned companies.

    Click to access global_coal_risk_assessment.pdf

    It appears (to me) to be a lot more than just a simple projection of previous increases. Unless the whole list is fictitious, I would say it doesn’t bode well for what is left of the carbon-credits market.

  18. bobbyjo says:
    February 1, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Roger Andrews says
    Jan 31,@809pm:

    “8.4 billion tons more CO2 more per year”.
    Since CO2 is a plant fertilizer, necessary for plant life, all that CO2 should stimulate lots of plant growth. More plant growth, more fossil fuel. The downside is we won’t be here to utilize it.

  19. Mike H says:
    February 4, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    harrywr2
    You just need to go down to the Vancouver, BC coal docks, which have recently been approved for expansion and see all the coal being exported. Bellingham, WA is now going through the regulatory process of allowing their port to ship coal. The cost of shipping to Asia on those mostly empty ships is a whole lot less then shipping to N.A. Canadian/American coal companies are and will continue to be more than happy and profitable shipping to Asia.

    Here in BC, we won’t build another coal fired power plant but we’ll ship it all over the world. Tells you how “real” this alleged problem is.