Scientists wrestle with ‘unknown force’ acting on particles

Posted: August 12, 2023 by oldbrew in data, research, Uncertainty
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Muon g-2 building (white and orange) at Fermilab [image credit: Z22 @ Wikipedia]


A clash of observation and basic science theory looms. The BBC tries to sound positive about it.
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Scientists near Chicago say they may be getting closer to discovering the existence of a new force of nature, says BBC News.

They have found more evidence that sub-atomic particles, called muons, are not behaving in the way predicted by the current theory of sub-atomic physics.

Scientists believe that an unknown force could be acting on the muons.

More data will be needed to confirm these results, but if they are verified, it could mark the beginning of a revolution in physics.

All of the forces we experience every day can be reduced to just four categories: gravity, electromagnetism, the strong force and the weak force. [Talkshop comment – according to the Standard Model].

These four fundamental forces govern how all the objects and particles in the Universe interact with each other.

The findings have been made at a US particle accelerator facility called Fermilab. They build on results announced in 2021 in which the Fermilab team first suggested the possibility of a fifth force of nature.

Since then, the research team has gathered more data and reduced the uncertainty of their measurements by a factor of two, according to Dr Brendan Casey, a senior scientist at Fermilab.

“We’re really probing new territory. We’re determining the (measurements) at a better precision than it has ever been seen before.”

In an experiment with the catchy name ‘g minus two (g-2)’ the researchers accelerate the sub-atomic particles called muons around a 15m-diameter ring, where they are circulated about 1,000 times at nearly the speed of light.

The researchers found that they might be behaving in a way that can’t be explained by the current theory, which is called the Standard Model, because of the influence of a new force of nature.

Although the evidence is strong, the Fermilab team hasn’t yet got conclusive proof.

They had hoped to have it by now, but uncertainties in what the standard model says the amount of wobbling in muons should be, has increased, because of developments in theoretical physics.

In essence, the goal posts have been moved for the experimental physicists.

Full article here.
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An alternative view here: The STRONG FORCE Blows Up

Comments
  1. oldbrew says:

    BBC:
    Researchers know that there is what they describe as “physics beyond the Standard Model” out there, because the current theory can’t explain lots of things that astronomers observe in space.

    These include the fact that galaxies are continuing to accelerate apart after the Big Bang that created the Universe, rather than the expansion slowing down. Scientists say the acceleration is being driven by an unknown force, called dark energy.

    Galaxies are also spinning faster than they should, according to our understanding of how much material is in them. Researchers believe it’s because of invisible particles called dark matter, which again are not part of the Standard Model. [bold added]
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    ‘out there’ – out where? 🤔

  2. Hasbeen says:

    It obviously must be CO2 doing it. After all, there is nothing it can’t do.

  3. Kip Hansen says:

    It does not surprise me that “The Masters of the Universe” have been fooling themselves. I learned this in university Chemistry class — the theories of the structures and forces of the atom, as taught, were somewhat nonsensical and most chemists already knew that — but taught the known-to-be-false version anyway because, according to my professor, “we don’t know, so what else can we teach?”

  4. oldbrew says:

    Maybe ‘Standard Model’ really means ‘fig leaf’?

    The BBC headline was: ‘Scientists at Fermilab close in on fifth force of nature’. — Do they? Hmmm.

  5. oldbrew says:

    A new force of nature? Scientists close in on a fifth force as they discover a mysterious subatomic particle disobeying the laws of physics
    11 August 2023

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12396355/A-new-force-nature-Scientists-close-fifth-force-discover-mysterious-subatomic-particle-disobeying-laws-physics.html
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    Send in the Daleks – “you will obey!”

  6. stpaulchuck says:

    One of my favorite quotes:

    “Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts” – Richard Feynman

  7. JB says:

    How can anyone know there is a new force when not everything is understood about those presumed to?

    Maybe they all should review The Farce of Physics and The Case Against the Nuclear Atom.

  8. oldbrew says:

    A New Experiment Casts Doubt on the Leading Theory of the Nucleus

    A new measurement of the strong nuclear force, which binds protons and neutrons together, confirms previous hints of an uncomfortable truth: We still don’t have a solid theoretical grasp of even the simplest nuclear systems.

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-experiment-casts-doubt-on-the-leading-theory-of-the-nucleus-20230612/
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    Why not see if they can prove Miles Mathis wrong, or right? But it seems they don’t want to go there, in case they find something new from someone with no particle accelerator?

    MM: HOW THE ELEMENTS ARE BUILT (2011)

    In this paper I will show that quantum mechanics doesn’t even match the Periodic Table, much less data from accelerators. I will show that quantum equations should have been attached to the nucleus from the beginning, not to the electron. I will show that electrons spin but do not orbit the nucleus. I will prove once again that the strong force is a myth, and that it is not needed. I will provide diagrams of several nuclei, show you how to build most elements using the noble gases as bases, and explain simply and directly why Technetium and Promethium and Radon are radioactive. I will explain why some elements have more stable isotopes than others. I will explain the incredible stability of Tin.

    And I will prove that the central quantum equation is false. [bold added]

    Click to access nuclear.pdf

    MM: HOW TO BUILD A NUCLEUS without the Strong Force (2009)

    Contemporary physics has sold us a quantum interaction called the strong force, which is supposed to be one of the four fundamental forces of nature. This interaction has been forced down our throats despite the known fact that there is no evidence for it. The strong force is just a theory.

    http://milesmathis.com/stack.html

  9. Phoenix44 says:

    Leys hope this will do away with the absurdity of dark energy and dark matter. Clinging to the Standard Model and the neatness but unlikeliness of String Theory has held back Physics for decades.

  10. Curious George says:

    Is the BBC the main source for this alarm?

  11. oldbrew says:

    CG – probably, but there are others, and the research paper itself…

    Click to access result2023.pdf

    https://phys.org/news/2023-08-muon-g-result-world-precise.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/aug/11/scientists-fifth-force-nature

    Also: Prospects for precise predictions of aµ in the Standard Model (2022)

    We discuss the prospects for improving the precision on the hadronic corrections to
    the anomalous magnetic moment of the muon, and the plans of the Muon g −2 Theory
    Initiative to update the Standard Model prediction.

    Click to access 2203.15810.pdf

    Phys.org says: At the simplest level, theory predicts ‘g’ to be two. But subtle influences from virtual particles popping in and out of existence can affect the muon’s spin precession, causing its true ‘g’ to be slightly greater than two. The collaboration is measuring this difference, hence the name Muon g-2 (pronounced Muon g minus two).

    ‘virtual particles popping in and out of existence’ – obviously 🙄

  12. oldbrew says:

    Some prize gobbledegook here…first sentence:

    A virtual particle is a theoretical transient particle that exhibits some of the characteristics of an ordinary particle, while having its existence limited by the uncertainty principle.[vague]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle

    Hard to get ‘theoretical’, ‘virtual’ and ‘existence’ into the same sentence without sounding *vague* 😉

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