Jupiter, Earth and Venus’ tropical alignments point to the mean solar cycle length

Posted: April 22, 2023 by tallbloke in Astronomy, Astrophysics, Celestial Mechanics, climate, Cycles, research, Solar physics, solar system dynamics
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Precession of Earth’s axis [image credit: NASA, Mysid @ Wikipedia]

Introduction:
A number of researchers have hypothesised that the relative motions of Jupiter, Earth and Venus are connected to the length of solar cycles. In this post we will show that cyclic periods of 83 years (Gleissberg), 166 years (Landscheidt, Wilson), and 996 years (Eddy, Stefani et al) are found not just in the syzygies and synodic periods between these planets, but also in their heliocentric orientations with respect to a frame of reference rotating at the rate of Earth’s axial precession. This discovery has implications for our understanding of the forces driving that axial precession, and opens some new avenues for hypothesising about the links between planetary motion and solar activity variations.

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We propose that not only amplitude, but the mean period of the solar cycle itself derives from planetary influence in a specific manner.

Planetary theorists have from time to time alighted on an 83-year cycle, often attributed to the work of W. Gleissberg. In reality this is a half cycle, with the full one being 2*83 = 166 years. A notable study of this is in Ian Wilson’s PRP paper: The Venus–Earth–Jupiter spin–orbit coupling model (2013).

Figure 6 shows the smoothed torque curve from Fig. 5, replotted to highlight its long-term modulation (Horizons OnLine Ephemeris System, 2008). Superimposed on the torque are two sinusoidal envelopes with periods of 166.0 yr.

Figure 7 (from Wilson, 2011) shows that the variations in the heliocentric latitude of Venus essentially mimic the variations in the mean distance of Jupiter from the Sun, provided these variables are measured at the times when Jupiter aligns with either the inferior or superior conjunctions of Venus and the Earth. What this indicates is that the long-term net tangential torque should be weakest when Venus is at its greatest positive (most northerly) heliocentric latitude, and Jupiter is at its greatest distance from the Sun (˜5.44 A.U.). Figure 7 shows that this condition reoccurs roughly once every 166 yr and that they correspond in time with periods of low solar activity known as Grand Solar Minimum. [NB with one exception, noted in the paper].

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What we find is that Arnholm’s Solar Simulator tool gives us clear indication of the 166-year cycle, as these screenshots indicate. Moving the date by exactly 166 years shows the orientation of Jupiter (and Earth, as expected) in the same direction relative to the rotating frame of reference. When we vary the date by exactly 996 years (166*6), Venus is also in the same orientation as it was before.

In 166 tropical years (see below re. orbital data):
Jupiter tropical orbits (J) = 14
Proposed number of mean solar cycles (SC) in the period:
J orbits + 1 = 15

(Obviously solar cycle length varies, but we’re talking about mean values here.)

Using those numbers:
SC-J = 1 by our definition (using mean values), in one full cycle in 166 tropical years. The half cycle of 83 years has the same orientation, but with opposite positions of the two bodies.

This formula returns a mean SC period of 166/15 = 11.066 years. Converting from the tropical to sidereal frame of reference, this yields the same value other researchers (e.g. Wilson, Scafetta, Stefani, to name a few – see below) have found and/or discussed in published papers, of approximately 11.07 years.

14 sidereal Jupiter orbits of 11.8624 years (Seidelmann) divided by 15 = 11.0716 sidereal years.

Earth can be added to this test, e.g. at a time of conjunction with Jupiter, and both planets will maintain the same orientation as before. The mean period of 76 J-E conjunctions is 83 tropical years. However, 7 Jupiter sidereal orbits take slightly longer: 83.038305 years. This strongly suggests the alignments are related to Jupiter’s tropical year, which is about 2 days less than the sidereal one.

On the assumption of 7 Jupiter tropical orbits taking 83 Earth tropical years, as appears to be the case when using the solar simulator, we propose a cycle where:
2071 J(sidereal) = 2072 J(tropical) orbits in 24568 tropical years.
2071 = 148*14,-1
2072 = 148*14
24568 = 148*166 TY

If the mean solar cycle (MSC) occurs once more than the number of Jupiter sidereal orbits in 166 TY, then in 148 of those we should get:
MSC in 24568 TY = 2071+148 = 2219 (148*15,-1)
Check: 24568/2219 = 11.071654
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The simulator follows the 25771.5 year precession of Earth’s axis.

The currently accepted value of Earth’s axial precession period 25771.5 +/- 0.1 yr. is divisible by 83/2 (41.5) years.

The Earth’s axial precession doesn’t drive the orbit period of major solar system bodies such as Jupiter and Venus. Our finding shows the reverse; that Earth’s axial precession is driven by Jupiter and Venus’ entrainment of the Lunar orbit, which is the proximate cause of precession by its tidal action on Earth’s equatorial bulge.

Summary.

Our formula for a mean solar cycle in the tropical reference frame is: 15 SC = 14 J in 166 tropical years, where J = the Jupiter tropical orbit period. This confirms the empirically derived average solar cycle period of 11.07 years.

In our next post in this series, we’ll see how looking at the numerics of Jupiter and Saturn syzygy cycles also gets a lot simpler in the tropical frame of reference too. It’s almost as if the solar system was designed that way.

Notes and quotes:

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Quote 1: The precise physical origin of solar cycles is still poorly known and dynamo models are debated, but recent literature has strengthened the hypothesis of a correlation with planetary harmonics.
The planetary theory of solar activity variability: a review – Nicola Scafetta and Antonio Bianchini (2022).

Quote 2: The Sun’s magnetic activity varies cyclically over a period of about 11 years. An analysis of a new, temporally extended proxy record of this activity hints at a possible planetary influence on the amplitude of the cycle.
The planetary hypothesis revived – Paul Charbonneau (2013)

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Other papers re 83 years…

New Little Ice Age Instead of Global Warming? (c.2003)
– Theodor Landscheidt

It is shown that minima in the 80 to 90-year Gleissberg cycle of solar activity, coinciding with periods of cool climate on Earth, are consistently linked to an 83-year cycle in the change of the rotary force driving the sun’s oscillatory motion about the centre of mass of the solar system.
. . .
7. 166-year cycle in variations of the rotary force driving the sun’s orbital motion

The dynamics of the sun’s motion about the centre of mass can be defined quantitatively by the change in its orbital angular momentum L. The time rate of change in L is measured by its first derivative dL/dt. It defines the rotary force, the torque T driving the sun’s motion about the CM. Variations in the rotary force defined by the derivative dT/dt are a key quantity in this connection as they make it possible to forecast Gleissberg extrema for hundreds of years and even millennia.

A cycle of 166 years and its second harmonic of 83 years emerge when the time rate of change in the torque dT/dt is subjected to frequency analysis (Landscheidt, 1983).
. . .
The next secular minimum, indicated by an empty triangle, is to be expected around 2030. The following minima should occur around 2122 and 2201. The figure [Fig. 10] shows that the Gleissberg cycle behaves like a bistable oscillator. The current phase should last at least through 2500. Because of the link between Gleissberg cycle and climate, future periods of warmer or cooler climate can be predicted for hundreds of years. The next cool phase is to be expected around 2030.
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THE SOLAR WOLF-GLEISSBERG CYCLE AND ITS INFLUENCE ON THE EARTH (2000)
Shahinaz M. Yousef

Click to access THE_SOLAR_WOLF-GLEISSBERG_CYCLE_AND_ITS_INFLUENCE_ON_THE_EARTH_cli267_293.pdf

When Rudolf Wolf reconstructed solar activity based on historical observations of sunspots, he found an 11-year cycle going back to at least 1700. In 1853, Wolf also claimed that there is a 83-year sunspot
cycle. This longer term variation becomes evident simply by smoothing the data. Wolf’s original discovery of an 83-year cycle was forgotten, but the long cycle was rediscovered by H.H. Tuner , W. Schmidt, H.H. Clayton and probably others. After W. Gleissberg also discovered this 80 to 90 year cycle around 1938, he published so much material on the subject that ever since, it was called Gleissberg cycle (Hoyt and Schatten 1997).

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The Cause of the Gleissberg Cycle: A Working Hypothesis (2015)
– Sebastián Martín Ruiz

Every 83 years, Jupiter and the Earth are in the same relative position in the Solar System and this way Jupiter is seen against the same background of stars.
. . .
In conclusion, we think that the influence of Jupiter’s magnetic field on cosmic rays reaching the Earth and its relationship to Earth’s climate should be investigated.

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A Holocene North Atlantic SST record and regional climate variability (2011)
– Sejrup et al

A detailed correlation of the oxygen isotope record with solar proxies for the last 1 ka was not apparent for the whole 8 ka record. However, a statistically significant (>95%) spectral peak at c. 83 yr may represent the so-called Gleissberg solar cycle.
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A Model of a Tidally Synchronized Solar Dynamo
– Stefani et al (2019)

Specifically, we focus on the 11.07-years alignment periodicity of the tidally dominant planets Venus, Earth, and Jupiter, whose persistent synchronization with the solar dynamo is briefly touched upon. The typically emerging dynamo modes are dipolar fields, oscillating with a 22.14-years period or pulsating with a 11.07-years period, but also quadrupolar fields with corresponding periodicities.
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The Greenland Climate Clock (2022)
– Harald Yndestad

“The Little Ice Age” covers the six deepest Uranus-Neptune minima coincidences in period distances of 166 years.
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See also: Jovian Planets and Lunar Nodal Cycles in the Earth’s Climate Variability (2022)
– Harald Yndestad

…mean period coincidences of Tun-mco = [166.42, 332.83, 499.70, 998.49]…etc.
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Article @ space.com: Planetary Orbits May Explain Mystery of Sun’s 11-Year Cycle (Apr. 2022)

The orbits of Venus, Earth and Jupiter may explain the sun’s regular 11-year cycle, a new study suggests.

A team of researchers from Helmholtz-Zentrum Dresden-Rossendorf (HZDR), a research institute in Dresden, Germany, showed that the tidal forces of those three planets influence the cycle of solar activity, resolving one of the bigger questions in solar physics.

“Everything points to a clocked process,” Frank Stefani, a researcher at HZDR and lead author of the new study, said in a statement. “What we see is complete parallelism with the planets over the course of 90 cycles.”

What the team found is that the tidal forces are strongest when Earth, Venus, and Jupiter align, and that this alignment occurs every 11.07 years – falling at the same time as the solar minimum.

Link to study here.

Comment on the 2022 Stefani study: That looks like the 996 year JEV period on the solar simulator screenshots of J-E-V triple conjunctions 1993 and +/- 996y.
996/11.06666 tropical years (mean solar cycle) = 90 SC.

Stefani’s team spoke of the planetary aspects, which are shown in our earlier four-part graphic. We have 12 occurrences of any given J-Sun orientation in that period (12*83 = 996), and 6*166 years, so 6 Jupiter-MSC (mean solar cycle) beats. The number of tropical Jupiter orbits in 996 years is 7 per 83 years, so 7*12 = 84 (and 90-84 = 6).

In an article at Science Alert: Our Sun’s Mysterious 11-Year Cycle Appears to Be Driven by Alignment of The Planets (2019), Dr. Stefani says his team used 1000 years of data (or 1000-2009 AD).
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New paper (pre-print): No evidence for absence of solar dynamo synchronization (March 2023)
– F. Stefani, J. Beer, T. Weier

ABSTRACT
Context. The old question of whether the solar dynamo is synchronized by the tidal forces of the orbiting planets has recently received renewed interest, both from the viewpoint of historical data analysis and in terms of theoretical and numerical modelling.

Aims. We aim to contribute to the solution of this longstanding puzzle by analyzing cosmogenic radionuclide data from the last millennium.

Methods. We reconsider a recent time-series of 14C-inferred sunspot data and compare the resulting cycle minima and maxima with the corresponding conventional series down to 1610 A.D., enhanced by Schove’s data before that time.

Results. We find that, despite recent claims to the contrary, the 14C-inferred sunspot data are well compatible with a synchronized solar dynamo, exhibiting a relatively phase-stable period of 11.07 years, which points to a synchronizing role of the spring tides of the Venus-Earth-Jupiter system.

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Planetary data from JPL: https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/planets/phys_par.html
Also:
‘4,333 days – the length of a year on Jupiter, in Earth days (4,332.82 days).’
https://historyinnumbers.com/places/space/solar-system/planet-jupiter/

Mean solar cycle discussion at the Talkshop:
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2021/10/30/orbital-resonance-and-the-celestial-origins-of-earths-climatic-changes-why-phi/

Comments
  1. tallbloke says:

    Jean-Pierre Desmoulins and Ray tomes get an honourable mention here too. Their JEV work presaged advances made by later researchers such as Ching Cheh Hung and Ian Wilson.

  2. erl happ says:

    My own exploration of the manner in which climate has changed by the decade over the period of the reanalysis data from 1948 indicates a mode of short term variability in near surface temperature on Hale Cycle intervals. A continuation of the sinusoidal mode of incremental change apparent in the data will produce cooling in Southern Hemisphere temperature from the start of the current solar cycle that should manifest as decidedly cooler temperatures by 2030. That work is here: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1628/1053/files/The_Movement_of_the_Atmosphere.pdf?v=1635129636

  3. oldbrew says:

    The last 15 solar cycles took 164.0 years, so shorter than the proposed mean of 166.0 years. The majority of the shorter cycles were between 1913 and 1996 (SC 15-22), with only one longer than 10y.6m. in that period. The long term SC average is 11.04y in the 24 measured cycles here…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_cycles

    Of course finding a mean value in a period less than twice its proposed length is somewhat unrealistic.

  4. […] Jupiter, Earth and Venus’ tropical alignments point to the mean solar cycle length […]

  5. tallbloke says:

    Thanks Erl, your document is an excellent resource – highly recommended to all.

  6. erl happ says:

    Tallbloke, thanks for the recommendation. The document, that looks at the Earth system as open to external influences that directly impact surface atmospheric pressure, a phenomenon that at this point is indisputable, is a synthesis of my the learning experience in relation to ‘the non anthropogenic origins of climate change’ that began with Leif Svalgard’s contribution to Climate Audit back in 2007 and you were also there. Progress has been made. I wonder if Leif would agree?

    Nowadays, my concern is with housing affordability and the impact of the planning system on society. A sad case of institutionalized oppression. I write here: https://erlhapp.substack.com/

    But I keep a watchful eye on the Talkshop and Paul Homewood and also Clintel.

    Good to see your post. The mathematics is telling us that the sun is indeed conditioned by the bodies that orbit around it, that together are responsible for a gravitational pull on whatever is inside the sun affecting its emanations including the light that supports photosynthesis and is responsible for the presence of oxygen and ozone that play such an important role in determining the structure of the Earth’s atmosphere, and support life as we know it.

  7. Paul Vaughan says:

    Review

    Clyde Bollinger 1952:
    https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=Bollinger+1952+A+44.77+Year+Jupiter-Venus-Earth+Configuration+Sun-Tide+Period+in+Solar+Climatic+Cycles

    “.77” sensitive dependence on data & methods – e.g. compare Seidelmann, Sidorenkov, Standish tropical, sidereal, anomalistic etc.

    44.2875117414503 22.1437558707251 11.0718779353626 nodal
    44.2788229093651 22.1394114546826 11.0697057273413 sidereal
    44.2785528962259 22.1392764481129 11.0696382240565 sidereal
    44.2784629967674 22.1392314983837 11.0696157491919 sidereal
    44.2700966344886 22.1350483172443 11.0675241586222 synodic
    44.2698538014441 22.1349269007221 11.067463450361 sidereal
    44.2696383801729 22.1348191900864 11.0674095950432 tropical
    44.2662931973878 22.1331465986939 11.0665732993469 tropical
    44.2629485201137 22.1314742600568 11.0657371300284 tropical
    44.2411450188424 22.1205725094212 11.0602862547106 anomalistic

    The last one points simply to numerical methods. Left an appetizer here. Rich vein to explore for those with time and resources.

  8. oldbrew says:

    From the post:

    On the assumption of 7 Jupiter tropical orbits taking 83 Earth tropical years, as appears to be the case when using the solar simulator, we propose a cycle where:
    2071 J(sidereal) = 2072 J(tropical) orbits in 24568 tropical years.
    2071 = 148*14,-1
    2072 = 148*14
    24568 = 148*166 TY

    If the mean solar cycle (MSC) occurs once more than the number of Jupiter sidereal orbits in 166 TY, then in 148 of those we should get:
    MSC in 24568 TY = 2071+148 = 2219 (148*15,-1)
    Check: 24568/2219 = 11.071654

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    Using the assumed Jupiter tropical orbits, in the precessing reference frame:
    2072+148 = 2220 (predicted mean solar cycles)
    24568/2220 = 11.0666~

  9. Paul Vaughan says:

    A detailed example calculation is stuck in the filter here.
    A subsequent comment (which passed moderation) clarifies the notation with links to the online encyclopedia of integer sequences.

  10. Paul Vaughan says:

    Heegner nos., natural log, cumulative sum

    1 0 0
    2 0.693147180559945 0.693147180559945
    3 1.09861228866811 1.79175946922805
    7 1.94591014905531 3.73766961828337
    11 2.39789527279837 6.13556489108174
    19 2.94443897916644 9.08000387024818
    43 3.76120011569356 12.8412039859417
    67 4.20469261939097 17.0458966053327
    163 5.09375020080676 22.1396468061395
    sum
    316 22.1396468061395 44.2792936122789
    half 11.0698234030697

    mods: clarification’s stuck in the filter over here

  11. Paul Vaughan says:

    further clarification regarding
    Jovian V-E 5256 Ratio
    J:U:S:N = 1:2:16:31
    caught in the math filter over here

  12. oldbrew says:

    N. Scafetta wrote (2022):

    4.1 The Venus-Earth-Jupiter model

    The first model relates the 11-year solar cycle with
    the relative orbital configurations of Venus, Earth and
    Jupiter, which was first proposed by Bendandi (1931) as
    recently reminded by Battistini (2011). Later, Bollinger
    (1952), Hung (2007) and others (e.g.: Scafetta, 2012c;
    Tattersall, 2013; Wilson, 2013; Stefani et al., 2016,
    2019, 2021) developed more evolved models.
    This model is justified by the consideration that
    Venus, Earth and Jupiter are the three major tidal planets (Scafetta, 2012b).
    Their alignments repeat every [see linked pdf for formula] = 22.14 yr (4)
    where PV = 224.701 days, PE = 365.256 days and PJ =
    4332.589 days are the sidereal orbital periods of Venus,
    Earth and Jupiter, respectively.

    The calculated 22.14-year period is very close to the
    ∼22-year Hale solar magnetic cycle. Since the Earth–
    Venus–Sun–Jupiter and Sun–Venus–Earth–Jupiter
    configurations present equivalent tidal potentials, the
    tidal cycle would have a recurrence of 11.07 years. This
    period is very close to the average solar cycle length
    observed since 1750 (Hung, 2007; Scafetta, 2012a;
    Stefani et al., 2016).

    Click to access 2208.09293.pdf

  13. oldbrew says:

    Re. our 996-year cycle and Stefani’s ’90 solar cycles in 1000 years’ finding…

    Evidence for Solar Modulation on the Millennial-Scale Climate Change of Earth (2020)
    by Xinhua Zhao, Willie Soon and Victor M. Velasco Herrera

    We find that the variations of the Earth’s climate indices exhibited the 1000-year cyclicity, which was recently discovered in solar activity (called Eddy cycle). The cross-wavelet correlations between the millennium-cycle components of sunspot number and the Earth’s climate change remains both strong and stable during the past 8640 years (BC 6755–AD 1885). The millennial variation of sunspot number keeps in-phase with variations of Lake Qinghai temperature, Greenland temperature, and East Asian Monsoon, but anti-phase with the variation of Antarctica temperature. The strong and stable resonant relationships between sunspot numbers and these climate indices indicate that solar variability may have played a role in modulation on this millennial seesaw pattern of the Earth’s climate change before the modern industrial era.

    https://www.mdpi.com/2218-1997/6/9/153
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    See for example: ‘Figure 3. The global wavelet coherence (Cg, solid line) and phase angle strength (Sθ, blue dashed line) between SSN and climate indices plotted against period; The vertical dotted lines mark the 1000-year period.’

  14. P.A.Semi says:

    Problem with the tidal theory is that it selectively calculates only with Jupiter, Venus and Earth, but it excludes Mercury, which is tidally not less important than Earth…

    Then there are changes in Earth motion (or Venus motion), defined almost only by J-V-E alignments (i.e. independent of Mercury), that could also drive the Solar cycle via magnetic linking of Earth and Sun…

    πα½

  15. oldbrew says:

    P.A.Semi says…
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    Talkshop: In this post we will show that cyclic periods of 83 years (Gleissberg), 166 years (Landscheidt, Wilson), and 996 years (Eddy, Stefani et al) are found…

    Jupiter-Mercury conjunction is in close alignment with 3*996 tropical years. (Earth arrives at Jupiter alignment a week after 24 Feb. in this period).


    – – –
    However, 13*83 years may be a slightly better match for Jupiter-Mercury…

  16. oldbrew says:

    External Forcing of the Solar Dynamo (March 2022)
    Paul Charbonneau*
    Département de Physique, Université de Montréal, Montréal, QC, Canada

    In this paper I examine whether external forcing of the solar dynamo on long timescales can produce detectable signal in the form of long term modulation of the magnetic cycle.
    . . .
    6 A Detour: Dynamo Synchronization by External Forcing

    An interesting variation on the theme of planetary forcing of the solar dynamo was recently put forth by Stefani et al. (2018); Stefani et al. (2019), Stefani et al. (2021). These authors suggest and provide modelling results showing that external forcing at a frequency close to that of the internally-driven dynamo could lead to a synchronization of this internal dynamo at the external forcing frequency (Stefani et al., 2018). These authors also show that once synchronization is achieved, external forcing act as a clock effectively setting the magnetic cycle period, and ensuring its phase coherence, a long standing challenge to dynamo models of the solar cycle (Dicke, 1978; Hoyng, 1996; Charbonneau and Dikpati, 2000).

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fspas.2022.853676/full#h7
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    From our post:
    “Everything points to a clocked process,” Frank Stefani, a researcher at HZDR and lead author of the new study, said in a statement. “What we see is complete parallelism with the planets over the course of 90 cycles.”

    90*11.06666 = 996y (84 J:90 SC = 14:15 ratio).

    Tropical orbit periods used:
    996*365.2422 = 363781.23 days
    1619*224.695 = 363781.2

  17. oldbrew says:

    No evidence for absence of solar dynamo synchronization
    March 2023
    F. Stefani, J. Beer, T. Weier

    Results: We find that, despite recent claims to the contrary, the 14C-inferred sunspot data are well compatible with a synchronized solar dynamo, exhibiting a relatively phase-stable period of 11.07 years, which points to a synchronizing role of the spring tides of the Venus-Earth-Jupiter system.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.01154.pdf
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    See also Ian Wilson’s 2013 PRP paper…
    http://www.pattern-recogn-phys.net/1/147/2013/prp-1-147-2013.pdf

  18. oldbrew says:

    This study suggests a galactic role in our solar system arrangements…

    Preston Guynn: Jupiter’s orbit and alignment relative to the galaxy is the physical basis of periodic variations of gravitational constant G and the length of day (2021)

    Further research is required in order to fully describe periodically varying G and LOD, but a theoretical basis is in place. The immediate physical basis has been identified as interaction between Jupiter, the Sun, and Milky Way. The vast amount of astronomical data that has been accumulated should be reevaluated in context of our solar system’s time dilated frame of reference with respect to the frame of reference of the non-rotating galactic center. Not only does varying G have implications for astronomy, but also for fundamental physics, geophysics, metrology, and because of its interaction through mass, particle physics. [bold added]

    Click to access 2111.0073v1.pdf

    – – –
    Our post finds a Jupiter-Sun orientation cycle of 166 tropical years (with 83 year half cycle), easily verifiable on Arnholm’s solar simulator software using any start date, which could be related to this theory.

  19. oldmanK says:

    Tks oldbrew for this paper. SO! there are others looking into this matter. Nice, pleased.

    Quote “They claimed no satisfactory explanation for the G/LOD correlation, but after noting that the
    oscillation period is about half of a solar activity cycle and evaluating that possibility, they stated that the
    correlation is most likely of terrestrial origin.”

    I think I mentioned before here at this site the correlation between LOD and moon phase, since abrupt change in LOD ( d[lod]/dt ) increase or decrease always coincides with either new moon or full moon. It is, in a way, of terrestrial origin.

    But looking for regular change does not show the abrupt other changes that also take place ( the ‘gravitation vector’ change we mentioned in another thread; the source of disasters and miracles).

  20. oldmanK says:

    “” Siberia swelters in record-breaking temperatures amid its ‘worst heat wave in history’ By Laura Paddison, CNN Updated 12:43 PM EDT, Thu June 8, 2023 “”

    It is interesting to check the planetary positions, and the moon’s (full moon) and figure out the ‘gravitational vector gradient’ for the date (3rd June; 37.9C)

  21. oldbrew says:

    Overview of the Spectral Coherence between Planetary Resonances and Solar and Climate Oscillations
    by Nicola Scafetta 1,*ORCID and Antonio Bianchini 2
    Published: 27 March 2023

    Figure 12 proposes a schematic representation of the planetary model of solar activity oscillations and climate changes, together with various possible involved mechanisms. A planetary hypothesis of solar activity could actually shed light on the physical mechanisms that may have gone unnoticed or underestimated in the past, and we advise searching for planetary-induced synchronization mechanisms of the solar dynamo or of the space weather inside the heliosphere. A planetary model of solar activity cycles would be extremely valuable for predicting changes in solar activity as well as climate oscillations on several timescales.

    https://www.mdpi.com/2225-1154/11/4/77#climate-11-00077-f012
    – – –
    Academic Editor: Ned Nikolov

  22. oldmanK says:

    @ oldbrew: in above post what is missing in figure 12 is “Periodic changes in the gravitational field around the earth”.

    Take the situation in September 2022 from 25th to 27th, relevant to storm Ian. Planetary alignment S moon E J plus on smaller effect other planet distribution. Note date is few days past equinox, important relevant to earth axial orientation. (again gravitational vector gradient).
    Besides, a decrease in gravity under Jupiter pull has effect on atmosphere vapour changing potential energy to kinetic (same as in reaction blading of turbine); also has effect on sea level.
    All during the couple of hours at the midnight side of earth.

    There are other worse events too.

  23. oldbrew says:

    oldmanK says: June 27, 2023
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    Planetary influence on hurricanes might be worth a look. Florida’s notorious Labor Day hurricane in 1935 showed this…
    Formed August 29, 1935
    Extratropical September 6, 1935
    Dissipated September 10, 1935
    Date of first landfall: Sep. 2, second landfall: Sep. 4
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1935_Labor_Day_hurricane

    Planetary alignments with the sun (conjunctions unless stated)…
    Earth-Saturn: Aug. 31
    Venus-Saturn: Sep. 3
    Earth & Venus opposite Neptune: Sep. 5-6
    Jupiter-Mercury: Sep. 6
    Earth-Venus: Sep. 5-9 approx.

  24. oldmanK says:

    oldbrew example above:

    Earth nearing equinox orientation; conjunction S V moon E Saturn. Saturn is further out but venus plus moon are near. Note that while the earth turns quite rapidly the conjunction planets stay put for longer, possibly until the moon moves away. Moon appears to be a key player.

    New moon was August 30th. From wiki
    “An area of disturbed weather developed northeast of the Turks Islands toward the end of August. By August 31, a definite tropical depression appeared near Long Island in the southeastern Bahamas and quickly intensified.”

    Thinking aloud: there are ‘Lagrange points’ on both sides of the earth in conjunctions, and every site on earth that passes under those would experience a gravity change, and would add to the barometric pressure change.

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  26. oldmanK says:

    There is additional information as per today.
    July 18th 2023. Near conjunction of nearby planetary bodies. Sun venus moon earth. Severe heat dome over europe. (hot air is lighter than cold and floats up to where gravity (read also pressure) is lowest.
    August 19th. Similar but now saturn contributes. Similar plus storm hilary at other side. Earth crust stress disturbance/relief >> M5.1

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